Curse

Master Knightfall · Apr 16, 2008, 07:53 PM // 19:53

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

Im just gonna write down here a theory for people getting banned. One way I think that guild wars is banning people is because they didnt follow the user agreement, but how whould anet know who to ban? All they have a list of ip address and what was traded or the amount. No hard evidence of trading real money for in game gold (using that as an example because mostly everyone falls into that category) or they can have evidence if you blabberd in chats saying you bought gold, lol. So why do they ban people? Because they want to make money. Yes, I think it does hurt the economy of guild wars when you have real botters, but they shouldnt just ban anybody even if they did purchase the gold from them, they should have real hard evidence presented to the actual customers that purchased their game. without us Guild wars wouldnt be nothing. We all payed our money for the game like $150 worth and then to just getting banned would be devastating and put a whole in your pocket. But thats how anet is gonna make money they know people will buy another set. What I think is that Guild wars should have an investigative team that presents a hard evidence why people get banned, from people who are innocent and didnt know they couldnt buy gold for real money. If I got banned an didnt get no good reason or hard evidence from them I would never play guild wars or any other anet games and would not support them ever again. They could just be banning people for the heck of it too. Just give me your thoughts. If they can just ban someone for no reason and just say they have recorded the actions on a log file, how can they prove it and the real cash exchange. There really is no way of proving just by their word. If you got banned just email the support page of anet a millions of times. No way of them proving you did anything worng unless is was in a chat.

This sounds to me like one of those PRO-bot or PRO-gold sellers to me trying to present his cause and reason it should be allowed and not illegal so he can make money without worry. lol Just a THEORY of mine, nothing meant as fact of course. <grin>

wilderness · Apr 16, 2008, 08:03 PM // 20:03

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

And the theory is about possibilities of being banned for no reason.

Problem is, your OP is muddy. It's main focus reads: "why not let off the people who broke the rules but didn't know?"

Ignorance isn't an excuse, the contract is there to be read (or be read to) on install.

Master Knightfall · Apr 16, 2008, 08:06 PM // 20:06

Plus if you'll read futher in the EULA you don't own the game you merely purchased a LICENSE to play by the RULES that ANET/NCsoft set forth. Thus hell if they don't like you they can kick you if they wanted to. It's like this you bought a PASS into THEIR HOUSE, if you do something in their HOUSE that they don't like or are even suspicious of they can kick you out just like that. Just like I would if you came into my house doing what I told you not to do. Or if I even became suspicious that you were drinking my bud weiser when I told you that you could only have the coors lite. <grin>

Plus I agree with Dan-the-Noob why would some "legitimate" player even think or care about these situations. I know it never crossed my mind either logically or hypothetically. Usually only the guilty want to use the system for their behalf when it suits their own agenda's. First to cry innocense last to accept responsibility.

wilderness · Apr 16, 2008, 08:07 PM // 20:07

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

they shouldnt just ban anybody even if they did purchase the gold from them, they should have real hard evidence presented to the actual customers that purchased their game.

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

What I think is that Guild wars should have an investigative team that presents a hard evidence why people get banned, from people who are innocent and didnt know they couldnt buy gold for real money.

Being the parts that people are retaliating to. The wording on the first part is off and the second actually suggests that ignorance is an excuse.

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

They could just be banning people for the heck of it too..

Being the idea of conspiracy.

Deathly_Overlord · Apr 16, 2008, 08:13 PM // 20:13

To the OP :

In future, try to make your posts a bit more readable and better layed out, so you dont get the crap ripped out of you. AND if you lost your account, why not contact GW support?

KTHNXBAI

(+1? )

Mini Masher · Apr 16, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

Yes but my point was that from her point of view her account had been banned seemingly for no reason. It wasn't until she investigated it with Anet support and got her accounts back that she discovered the hack and what had happened.

I was simply stating that just because one doesn't immediately know why their account has been banned, doesn't mean that there wasn't a legitimate reason for the ban, even if that reason was out of the account holders control.

Ctb · Apr 16, 2008, 08:15 PM // 20:15

You can stretch the word "theory" in non-academic contexts pretty thin, but I think you just snapped it pretty decisively.

Of course, I can't help but savor the irony of a post that simultaneously knocks someone for not having "hard evidence" to ban users while replacing the notion of circumstantial evidence (which is still evidence) behind those bans with a cockeyed conspiracy theory.

Deathly_Overlord · Apr 16, 2008, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Ctb

You can stretch the word "theory" in non-academic contexts pretty thin, but I think you just snapped it pretty decisively.

Of course, I can't help but savor the irony of a post that simultaneously knocks someone for not having "hard evidence" to ban users while replacing the notion of circumstantial evidence (which is still evidence) behind those bans with a cockeyed conspiracy theory.

i do belive....

You are on to something.

greengoblin · Apr 16, 2008, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Like i said before in my earlier post I havent been banned. Just getting opinions and feedbacks. lol

Deathly_Overlord · Apr 16, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

The simple answer to your question is:

The larger part of the community does not agree with you.

Shiney · Apr 16, 2008, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I'm sorry. I stopped reading when I saw the thread title. "account banned theory" that really says it all, doesn't it? You had a "theory" about how Anet ban accounts... And you felt you had to share it with us... And it's a bunch of balony...
Did it ever occur to you that Anet actually know what they are doing? They don't just pick random accounts to ban.

In fact, why did you post this on a fan site at all? Correct me if I'm wrong, but this isn't the 'conspiracy about everything that happens to go wrong and anet hates me" site.

greengoblin · Apr 16, 2008, 08:27 PM // 20:27

You mean the little part of the community. If it was a larger community it wouldnt just be in this sites forum.

greengoblin · Apr 16, 2008, 08:29 PM // 20:29

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Originally Posted by Shiney

I'm sorry. I stopped reading when I saw the thread title. "account banned theory" that really says it all, doesn't it? You had a "theory" about how Anet ban accounts... And you felt you had to share it with us... And it's a bunch of balony...
Did it ever occur to you that Anet actually know what they are doing? They don't just pick random accounts to ban.

All in all its a business they have to make money somehow. The programmers are smart I agree. If they were really smart they would have written a program to stop anymore script entrances from the botters and hackers.

Grunntar · Apr 16, 2008, 08:30 PM // 20:30

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

And the theory is about possibilities of being banned for no reason.

I think the flaw in your argument is that they ban for no reason. Just because *you* don't know the reason does not mean there isn't a reason.

I'm sure that they always ban with a reason. (You may not like the reason, nor agree with it, or it may even be silly, but there's got to be a reason...)

Deathly_Overlord · Apr 16, 2008, 08:31 PM // 20:31

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Originally Posted by greengoblin

You mean the little part of the community. If it was a larger community it wouldnt just be in this sites forum.

That made no sense...

Elaborate please....

Edit:

And btw, I dont mean the entire GW community, I mean the GWGuru community

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wilderness · Apr 16, 2008, 08:32 PM // 20:32

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Originally Posted by Shiney

Did it ever occur to you that Anet actually know what they are doing? They don't just pick random accounts to ban.

No, but it does seem their methods of collecting and identifying the proper evidence are quite flawed.

greengoblin · Apr 16, 2008, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by Master Knightfall

This sounds to me like one of those PRO-bot or PRO-gold sellers to me trying to present his cause and reason it should be allowed and not illegal so he can make money without worry. lol Just a THEORY of mine, nothing meant as fact of course. <grin>

Lol. I dont sell gold or anything just posting this theory so everyone can shout out their opinions.

Lets say what if you were in an alliance and wanted to hand over about 300k to your other guild members. A-net would put a flag on you and then ban you for a "suspicious" cash buying gold. Then what? You would email it to their support page and wait for months with out interaction with guild mates that are counting on you. What are you gonna do? Start all over from spending countless hours playing?

Chrono Re delle Ere · Apr 16, 2008, 09:10 PM // 21:10

We need more Robocops in Anet...

greengoblin · Apr 16, 2008, 10:22 PM // 22:22

YOU UNDERSTAND AND AGREE THAT ANY ATTEMPT TO MAKE ANY CHARGE BACK OR OTHERWISE RECLAIM OR OBTAIN A REFUND OF OR A CREDIT AGAINST ANY FEES PAID WITHOUT FIRST CLOSING YOUR GAME ACCOUNT OR HAVING OBTAINED NC INTERACTIVE’S PRIOR WRITTEN CONSENT TO SUCH REFUND SHALL ENTITLE NC INTERACTIVE TO DEACTIVATE YOUR GAME ACCOUNT AND OTHER ACCOUNTS ASSOCIATED WITH SUCH METHOD OF PAYMENT UNLESS AND/OR UNTIL SUCH TIME AS THE FEES ARE REPAID OR A CREDIT OR REFUND IS AGREED WITH NC INTERACTIVE.

I guess you can get your money back.

Taurus · Apr 17, 2008, 12:52 AM // 00:52

Here's Wilderness before the ban :

After the ban :